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| | | literider | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 31/01/2013 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | Adelaide, South Aust, Australia |
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| | Posted : 17 Feb 2020 - 10:54 Post title : Hesitation move off occasional stall | | | Hi all, I have had an ongoing issue with my storm where it would miss or hesitate moving off from traffic lights and even occasionally stall and had to be restarted
It is a 2012 model and has done it from new no luck with getting it fixed during warranty period
I was reading a thread in the vault where Slcharger gave some insight on the TPS adjustment indicating that a voltage of .58 is close to where the ECU
would shut off the fuel intermittently .
I checked mine and found it at .58 so readjusted to .6, problem sorted . So just wanted to highlight this as possible cure to others that may have this issue.
Big thanks to SLcharger and this forum.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 17 Feb 2020 - 18:57 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: literider) | | | You are welcome.
Nice of you to take your time to write a feedback, much appreciated. 
Ride safe.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 17 Feb 2020 - 20:54 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: literider) | | | Shit I hope you went back to your dealer and educated them!!
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| | Posted : 17 Feb 2020 - 21:49 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | | They wouldn't understand
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 18 Feb 2020 - 04:56 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Linkdog) | | | Pretty sad though as all it takes is a sensor check and the voltage would have been staring them in the face.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 27 Apr 2020 - 13:41 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
Pretty sad though as all it takes is a sensor check and the voltage would have been staring them in the face. |
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Now,you wouldn't want those "TECHS" to exert themselves,would ya???
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 27 Apr 2020 - 22:26 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: davetac1) | | | Dave I would like to think that the problem lies with the training ( or lack of) and not the person, if it's the tech's slack attitude then there is no hope.
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| | | mag10 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 05/02/2010 | | Posts | : | 482 | | Location | : | Wisconsin, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2020 - 15:18 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: literider) | | |
literider wrote:
Hi all, I have had an ongoing issue with my storm where it would miss or hesitate moving off from traffic lights and even occasionally stall and had to be restarted
It is a 2012 model and has done it from new no luck with getting it fixed during warranty period
I was reading a thread in the vault where Slcharger gave some insight on the TPS adjustment indicating that a voltage of .58 is close to where the ECU
would shut off the fuel intermittently .
I checked mine and found it at .58 so readjusted to .6, problem sorted . So just wanted to highlight this as possible cure to others that may have this issue.
Big thanks to SLcharger and this forum.
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Is there any easy way to access the TPS to make the adjustment? Per the manual, the throttle bodies have to come off. Any other suggestions or short cuts would be appreciated.
looking at it with tuneECU it is sitting at .58.
I have had the randomly occurring, low throttle opening, stumble for pretty much always. This seems like it could be the fix.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2020 - 21:35 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: mag10) | | | Yes but you need patience, a really good light and a special spanner. The tank needs to come off so you can get to the tps from above. I extended a 6 or 8mm(can't recall which size atm) open end spanner, welded a longer handle to it, then you hook up your software and adjust it to spec. From memory .6 is the magic number and it may move as you tighten the nut so check again after tightening.
Somewhere here I think I recall a method by removing the starter motor but not sure. You could try a TPS search.
Good luck.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
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| | | fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2020 - 21:37 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: mag10) | | |
mag10 wrote:
literider wrote:
Hi all, I have had an ongoing issue with my storm where it would miss or hesitate moving off from traffic lights and even occasionally stall and had to be restarted
It is a 2012 model and has done it from new no luck with getting it fixed during warranty period
I was reading a thread in the vault where Slcharger gave some insight on the TPS adjustment indicating that a voltage of .58 is close to where the ECU
would shut off the fuel intermittently .
I checked mine and found it at .58 so readjusted to .6, problem sorted . So just wanted to highlight this as possible cure to others that may have this issue.
Big thanks to SLcharger and this forum.
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Is there any easy way to access the TPS to make the adjustment? Per the manual, the throttle bodies have to come off. Any other suggestions or short cuts would be appreciated.
looking at it with tuneECU it is sitting at .58.
I have had the randomly occurring, low throttle opening, stumble for pretty much always. This seems like it could be the fix. |
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yes its pretty easy to adjust from under the throttle bodies, if you look it is hanging down between them and its a nut (8mm) on a bolt with a type of fork between them.
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Remember, soft cocks hang around all life long, hard ones come and go
ahh f**k im deep
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 06 Jun 2020 - 08:39 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: fab) | | | Mate that is the idle stepper motor, not the TPS, it is situated between the throttle bodies above that one.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
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| | | mag10 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 05/02/2010 | | Posts | : | 482 | | Location | : | Wisconsin, United States |
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| | Posted : 10 Jul 2020 - 12:25 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | | Leethal wrote:
Yes but you need patience, a really good light and a special spanner. The tank needs to come off so you can get to the tps from above. I extended a 6 or 8mm(can't recall which size atm) open end spanner, welded a longer handle to it, then you hook up your software and adjust it to spec. From memory .6 is the magic number and it may move as you tighten the nut so check again after tightening.
Somewhere here I think I recall a method by removing the starter motor but not sure. You could try a TPS search.
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I was able to finally get other projects out of the way and make this adjustment. You were not joking about patience. To effectively do this, it would help to have tiny hands (3 of them) and x ray vision.
I did have a long enough 8 mm open end wrench (spanner), but kept loosing sight of the hex location. I slid a long #2 phillips head driver thru all the throttle body bits and into the end of the TPS hex screw. This was not to turn the screw but to act as a locator and guide for the open end wrench. That helped a lot. It took about 6 tries and much cursing to get the TPS tight at 0.6.
I recalibrated per tuneEcu, reset calibration, changed the high temp idle setting to 900 rpm. Put the tank back on, started up nicely, cleared all the error codes (from unplugging stuff) and went for a ride.
I am pleased at the change, so far the low throttle stumble seems to be gone. Thank you all for the posts/advice on this adjustment .
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 12 Jul 2020 - 04:41 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: mag10) | | | Glad you got it sorted
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
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| | | aussietbird | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | WODONGA, VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 22 Aug 2020 - 09:25 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | | Another little tip, is the connector plug from the TPS.
They are not grime and water proof. I have found in the past (not always) but before trying to adjust anything, unplug clean really really well, with a quality electronic contact cleaner, dry and applying good ole die electric grease, can and often does fix the problem of a slightly lower than desired signal voltage from the TPS, due to extra resistance from oxidization and corrosion.
When we are talking 1 to 2 tenths of a volt, this can often be the real culprit.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 22 Aug 2020 - 10:23 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: aussietbird) | | | Yes that plug, or to be exact one of the male pins in that plug/socket, is what stranded me in the middle of nowhere a couple of years ago. Consequently I replaced all the 5volt sensor plugs and sockets with waterproof ones.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
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| | | aussietbird | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | WODONGA, VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 22 Aug 2020 - 11:25 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
Yes that plug, or to be exact one of the male pins in that plug/socket, is what stranded me in the middle of nowhere a couple of years ago. Consequently I replaced all the 5volt sensor plugs and sockets with waterproof ones. |
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The only one that caused me any grief, and left me high and dry was the rec/reg. It was a bitter pill to swallow, but it got me into a regular routine, of when servicing the girl (and the other girl now too) of pulling every connector apart cleaning and applying die electric grease.
When ever a niggling issue raises its ugly head, its the very first thing I do these days before looking for any mechanical or adjustment issue.
The last one was a high idle issue when hot. While I changed the plugs filter and pump, did every plug under the tank, ran it to work and back issue solved.
Mind you she gets ridden rain hail and shine, the other girl I'm a little more selective of the days she's wheeled from the shed. She ain't built to be ridden in all weather like the trusty Triumph.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 23 Aug 2020 - 05:03 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: aussietbird) | | | Yes the other day I rode to a pub to meet up with some of the fellas, bike ran fine, came out, went to start, no neutral light, no fuel pump, no crank and engine fault light staying on. I cranked it over using the solenoid button that a few of us fitted a while back, cranked but no fire. Waited a while, key off and on a few times and she came good, rode home with the engine light still on, hooked up the dealer tool and got P1690, CAM communication fault, instruments to ecm. Checked the ecm contacts and instrument plug, all good, all I could find is a small amount of white corrosion powder on the pins for the RH switch cluster plug under the tank so I'm hoping it was just an electrical glitch as I'm heading out for a weeks ride next Thursday. Fingers crossed.
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| | Posted : 27 Aug 2020 - 18:51 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: fab) | | | Mine was to high lowering it to .60 fixed my idle and stalling problems . But I used a long screwdriver to adjust it pull the fuel injectors gives you a straight shot to it.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 27 Aug 2020 - 21:51 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
Yes the other day I rode to a pub to meet up with some of the fellas, bike ran fine, came out, went to start, no neutral light, no fuel pump, no crank and engine fault light staying on. I cranked it over using the solenoid button that a few of us fitted a while back, cranked but no fire. Waited a while, key off and on a few times and she came good, rode home with the engine light still on, hooked up the dealer tool and got P1690, CAM communication fault, instruments to ecm. Checked the ecm contacts and instrument plug, all good, all I could find is a small amount of white corrosion powder on the pins for the RH switch cluster plug under the tank so I'm hoping it was just an electrical glitch as I'm heading out for a weeks ride next Thursday. Fingers crossed. |
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Well I got 80kms into a weeks ride, stopped to top up fuel and meet the other fellas, after the usual greetings we went to start off and I got the exact same problems except no engine light as it wouldn't fire up I expect. Did all the usual checks that I could, I even carry a multimeter and OBD reader now but no good, got it towed home and so far the problem is alluding me. This is the second time I've been stranded with electrical issues. 
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 27 Aug 2020 - 22:49 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | | Lee you know I am not to knowledgeable with this kind of thing so don't feel insulted. Could you have a dropped cell in the battery? And secondly if the instruments are not communicating with the ECU is it possible that you have a worn, broken wire somewhere in the loom and it's not allowing the bike to start because the ECU has no info?
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2020 - 07:23 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: rayglo) | | | It's been a long day Ray and I thought that I had found the issues, one each on the starter and fuel pump relay plugs but it came back and this time with a fuel pump relay fault, short or open circuit, I did all the pin point tests and found nothing, then put it all back together and it fired up again, took it for a test ride with no problems and since then has been ok, but occasionally when I key on, the fuel pump lags for a split second before it cuts in then all is good. It's one of those intermittent faults that can drive techs crazy.
The front end needs a good overhaul so I'm thinking of tearing it all down and fitting a S/H wiring loom that I have while i'm doing the forks , headstock bearings etc. Give the old girl a 10 year overhaul. I should pick up the Indian next Friday so only a week without a bike.
I have been through everything, even swapped the ECU with a spare, swapped all the relays , checked all relative wire continuities, ECU pins and sockets, dash plugs and pins, fuel pump plug, kill switch circuit, the fuel pump is only 60000 kms old ( still have the original so that may be next move) so it may just be a wire somewhere that is making and breaking.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
1600,Foran Razorbacks, Meerkat bypass, Dyno tune, real headlight,plenty of chrome,switchblade pegs, Hagon Nitro shocks & Ikon progressive fork springs etc. Scorpion Western Low handlebars. PH adjustable fork caps.
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2020 - 07:38 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | | It really sucks when you have doubts about if you can make it home on your own. It may take some time but at some point it will dawn on you, and problem solved.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2020 - 08:52 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: rayglo) | | | Yes, lack of trust in the product is not something that I'm used to.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
1600,Foran Razorbacks, Meerkat bypass, Dyno tune, real headlight,plenty of chrome,switchblade pegs, Hagon Nitro shocks & Ikon progressive fork springs etc. Scorpion Western Low handlebars. PH adjustable fork caps.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2020 - 17:40 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
It's been a long day Ray and I thought that I had found the issues, one each on the starter and fuel pump relay plugs but it came back and this time with a fuel pump relay fault, short or open circuit, I did all the pin point tests and found nothing, then put it all back together and it fired up again, took it for a test ride with no problems and since then has been ok, but occasionally when I key on, the fuel pump lags for a split second before it cuts in then all is good. It's one of those intermittent faults that can drive techs crazy.
The front end needs a good overhaul so I'm thinking of tearing it all down and fitting a S/H wiring loom that I have while i'm doing the forks , headstock bearings etc. Give the old girl a 10 year overhaul. I should pick up the Indian next Friday so only a week without a bike.
I have been through everything, even swapped the ECU with a spare, swapped all the relays , checked all relative wire continuities, ECU pins and sockets, dash plugs and pins, fuel pump plug, kill switch circuit, the fuel pump is only 60000 kms old ( still have the original so that may be next move) so it may just be a wire somewhere that is making and breaking. |
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Lee.
To me it sounds like a ground wire problem, as we knew it in the old day's when the body or frame was used as the return (-) to the battery. It can create exactly these kind of random failures. Yes, I know the bird has a partly negative return wiring loom, but i put my 2 cent on the negative system. Have you checked all negative connections ?
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| | | mag10 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 05/02/2010 | | Posts | : | 482 | | Location | : | Wisconsin, United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2020 - 19:03 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
Leethal wrote:
It's been a long day Ray and I thought that I had found the issues, one each on the starter and fuel pump relay plugs but it came back and this time with a fuel pump relay fault, short or open circuit, I did all the pin point tests and found nothing, then put it all back together and it fired up again, took it for a test ride with no problems and since then has been ok, but occasionally when I key on, the fuel pump lags for a split second before it cuts in then all is good. It's one of those intermittent faults that can drive techs crazy.
The front end needs a good overhaul so I'm thinking of tearing it all down and fitting a S/H wiring loom that I have while i'm doing the forks , headstock bearings etc. Give the old girl a 10 year overhaul. I should pick up the Indian next Friday so only a week without a bike.
I have been through everything, even swapped the ECU with a spare, swapped all the relays , checked all relative wire continuities, ECU pins and sockets, dash plugs and pins, fuel pump plug, kill switch circuit, the fuel pump is only 60000 kms old ( still have the original so that may be next move) so it may just be a wire somewhere that is making and breaking. |
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Lee.
To me it sounds like a ground wire problem, as we knew it in the old day's when the body or frame was used as the return (-) to the battery. It can create exactly these kind of random failures. Yes, I know the bird has a partly negative return wiring loom, but i put my 2 cent on the negative system. Have you checked all negative connections ?
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I have twice had similar erratic electrical issues and both times the culprit was a poor ground due to a light white corrosion on the negative terminal. Thoroughly clean off and coated with dielectric grease and it still happened. 2 different batteries as well. Luckily not stranded anywhere by it (I've other bikes to do that to me!)
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2020 - 20:47 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
Yes the other day I rode to a pub to meet up with some of the fellas, bike ran fine, came out, went to start, no neutral light, no fuel pump, no crank and engine fault light staying on. I cranked it over using the solenoid button that a few of us fitted a while back, cranked but no fire. Waited a while, key off and on a few times and she came good, rode home with the engine light still on, hooked up the dealer tool and got P1690, CAM communication fault, instruments to ecm. Checked the ecm contacts and instrument plug, all good, all I could find is a small amount of white corrosion powder on the pins for the RH switch cluster plug under the tank so I'm hoping it was just an electrical glitch as I'm heading out for a weeks ride next Thursday. Fingers crossed. |
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Lee, this is EXACTLY the same issue I had and the same code #. I'm sure you checked already but mine was the instrument cluster plug ( light corrosion ) . Hope you easily find the culprit.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 29 Aug 2020 - 02:16 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
Leethal wrote:
It's been a long day Ray and I thought that I had found the issues, one each on the starter and fuel pump relay plugs but it came back and this time with a fuel pump relay fault, short or open circuit, I did all the pin point tests and found nothing, then put it all back together and it fired up again, took it for a test ride with no problems and since then has been ok, but occasionally when I key on, the fuel pump lags for a split second before it cuts in then all is good. It's one of those intermittent faults that can drive techs crazy.
The front end needs a good overhaul so I'm thinking of tearing it all down and fitting a S/H wiring loom that I have while i'm doing the forks , headstock bearings etc. Give the old girl a 10 year overhaul. I should pick up the Indian next Friday so only a week without a bike.
I have been through everything, even swapped the ECU with a spare, swapped all the relays , checked all relative wire continuities, ECU pins and sockets, dash plugs and pins, fuel pump plug, kill switch circuit, the fuel pump is only 60000 kms old ( still have the original so that may be next move) so it may just be a wire somewhere that is making and breaking. |
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Lee.
To me it sounds like a ground wire problem, as we knew it in the old day's when the body or frame was used as the return (-) to the battery. It can create exactly these kind of random failures. Yes, I know the bird has a partly negative return wiring loom, but i put my 2 cent on the negative system. Have you checked all negative connections ?
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Kim, if you mean the negative terminal and the main ground wire near the starter motor , yes, tight and clean. I'm not aware of others.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 29 Aug 2020 - 02:22 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Linkdog) | | |
Linkdog wrote:
Leethal wrote:
Yes the other day I rode to a pub to meet up with some of the fellas, bike ran fine, came out, went to start, no neutral light, no fuel pump, no crank and engine fault light staying on. I cranked it over using the solenoid button that a few of us fitted a while back, cranked but no fire. Waited a while, key off and on a few times and she came good, rode home with the engine light still on, hooked up the dealer tool and got P1690, CAM communication fault, instruments to ecm. Checked the ecm contacts and instrument plug, all good, all I could find is a small amount of white corrosion powder on the pins for the RH switch cluster plug under the tank so I'm hoping it was just an electrical glitch as I'm heading out for a weeks ride next Thursday. Fingers crossed. |
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Lee, this is EXACTLY the same issue I had and the same code #. I'm sure you checked already but mine was the instrument cluster plug ( light corrosion ) . Hope you easily find the culprit. |
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Kevin it was the first thing I checked at the servo when it wouldn't crank over. And I've probably rechecked it twice since.
My mates have decided to ride on, at my insistence , and of course I went down to the shed this morning and she fired up no issues, but that's what happens until you get out on the road and commit and then wham!!!
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,524 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 29 Aug 2020 - 03:40 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: Leethal) | | | You said Thunderbird approved the Indian. But...a woman can be unpredictable
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Aug 2020 - 04:22 Post title : Re: Hesitation move off occasional stall (Re: AZCactus) | | | Slather on the silicon dielectric grease and pay close attention to connectors. Bent pins, especially signs of heat (darkened/distorted plastic). Tiger had a notorious connector to alternator that caused all of the above.
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